Saturday, February 4, 2012

Reading and Interpretation Exercise


Reading and Interpretation Exercise

Musee des Beaux Arts

Page 36-38

Amanda Rekoutis



      1.      Subject: ‘The Old Mastsers’ the subject is in second line of poem. Words in ‘incorrect order’

2.      Auden Argument is “The old masters were never wrong about suffering.”

3.      He begins with the general statement and moves more and more into specifics into the picture.

4.      We don’t think of other peoples suffering and we don’t consider it as much as we should, that’s what he’s trying to say. The old masters knew how to portray human pain and suffering.

5.      He makes his argument by saying that everyone turned away from the drowning of the boy.

6.      Yes he provides evidence by using examples like the plough man that could have heard the splash and the cry or the ship that had somewhere to be and sailed on.

7.      The title means museum of beautiful art obviously it’s in French.

8.      Yes Musse looks like museum and beaux apparently looks like beautiful.

9.      The old masters are the old artists. It’s capitalized because it is important. I can find out more by researching it on my own.

10.  Brueghel’s Icarus is a painting that shows a young man drowning with no one helping him or even acknowledging that he is there.

11.  He moves through the poem by being general and then getting more specific. Starting with his general statement and then using examples from the painting.

12.  Yes I agree because I feel that we are well aware that people suffer every day and yet we turn a blind eye and do nothing to help them. For example, all of the kids in Africa who have no water or even food and I know that there are programs and donations to help but a lot of people don’t even think about it during their day.

13.  I think with Auden being alive around world war two, he was right in the middle of major suffering and I think that effected what he says. Because obviously the entire German race knew what was going on and yet they kept quiet. Living in the 30’s totally affected his views on suffering. We couldn’t even grasp how emaciated the Jews were when they left concentration camps and he was there to witness it firsthand.

14.  He says the old masters are never wrong when they display suffering because they are very observant of that and they are very concerned about the humanities and how everyone is affected by it and they know every detail of it enough to portray it exactly how it is and how it should  be.

15.  This says that the old masters are considered great because they are able to portray and notice the suffering that goes on around them when everyone else turns away from it and pretends that they don’t see it. This is the case because like I said, they observe it and know the ins and outs of suffering so they are experts.

16.  Yes being in a museum affects his views because he is seeing the art of the old masters and those are the ones that he thinks are the greatest artists of all time, which they were, that’s why they are in the museum, and so he is swayed by the way they paint.

17.  He uses the painting for examples since there are great examples in the painting of people ignoring suffering while suffering is going on.

18.  I think there might be historical similarities that connect Auden’s views to the old masters’ views. For example, Auden was around during world war two and the death and dying but the old masters were around when the world wasn’t extremely evolved yet and they didn’t really know how to get the best out of life. So the quality of life wasn’t very good. I’m sure the masters looked around and saw suffering in the street every day with poor people and people who needed food.

19.  I think that if Auden hadn’t have been alive in the 30’s, that would have made a difference in the way he did interpret the old masters because he wouldn’t have been right in the middle of so much pain and suffering and maybe he wouldn’t have known any better.

20.  Painting can be read by how our eye moves through the picture and what the images we see tell us about the picture by how we interpret them. The details in a painting help us distinguish and add more clues to the story that we have created in our minds.

21.  By looking at the title, we would expect to see a falling of someone or something named Icarus. We really see a scene that looks like normal town life until you notice the legs that are disappearing into the water at the side of the picture. To me, the plough man and the field at the “front” of the picture dominates it because it is closest to the “seer” and it is the largest subject.

22.  I feel that the picture is not symmetrically balanced and that helps the way your eye moves through the piece, finally landing on the legs of Icarus and that is how the painting wants me to “see” Icarus. Icarus, though, is actually hard to notice because he is so small. But the way the light color of the legs stands out in the dark of the water makes me know that I am to notice him. I think he is so small because that is the point of people ignoring suffering. The old masters wanted to prove that people don’t notice and made him something of a “Can you see what I see” thing.

23.  The people in the painting appear that they don’t know someone is drowning at all. They are carrying on as if they don’t see him and no one appears to be on the verge of helping him. This matches perfectly with what Auden says. I think this means that he read the painting very well because he knows what he is talking about. I also think Brueghel’s context is great for the painting because of the historical and cultural connections it makes.

24.  I don’t know if his interpretation was correct because I had no idea it was a story so I would need to go look up the poem and try to figure out what it was about and see if my interpretation of the poem matched the one that Brueghel himself had.

25.  The main difference I can see is that I don’t see the father in the sky in front of Icarus with his own wings on. I also can see the feathers but there would be no way to assume that the feathers were from the boy himself, flying on wings that his father made.

26.  Ovid’s view is so different because humans and human nature was so different 1600 years ago and we or even Brueghel couldn’t relate to him because we live in different time periods than Ovid did.

27.  I have no idea what was happening in the first century when Ovid wrote so I don’t know how it would affect his story telling. Maybe something to do with the Spartans? I don’t know but it would change the meaning of the picture by how people saw death at that time.

28.  I like the picture personally and I don’t think I would notice the legs right off the bat and if I did I wouldn’t connect them to some sinister meaning. Obviously I would know that person was drowning but I wouldn’t put a story behind it. Or even really think about it (point proven by Auden).

29.  I think overall yes, I am confused. I don’t remember who wrote the poem, I don’t know who wrote the article in my textbook, I don’t know who painted the painting.  And I am confused why all of this is connected. I think its cool how it is and how one person comments on another person’s work but I am a little confused.

30.  I would agree with the author and say that no one pays attention to suffering and pain. But I haven’t studied the old masters work enough to agree that they understood it best. 

31.  I assume that because the poem was written around World War II that he was mainly focusing on suffering and pain but what if the boy was fine with dying? Maybe he didn’t suffer. How are we to know?

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